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AMforPM 07-04-2008 02:17 PM
Just ordered some diabetes friendly
 
sweets to store for the wife - Honeyville carries one of the better zero calorie sugar alcohol sweetners. One that is not a laxative, nor a neuro toxin like aspartame.

I ordered a 44lb bag of that and 25 lbs of almond flour so she can make things like cookies and pound cake out of stored foods. Almond flour pound cake sounds good to me too.

We tested that sweetner in our coffee, which we had stopped using any sugar in, and it tastes great. I also ordered whole dried eggs. We don't like them scrambled, but in pound cake I expect them to be fine, and maybe for custard. She has a major sweet tooth and the only stored sweets we had were things she can't have now. So now I won't eat sweets she can't have except when she has sweets she can have.

She is going sweets recipes exploring to see how much of Honeyville's dry milk replacer to order. Dry milk does not keep well, but Honeyville has a milk product that does.

RealityCheck 07-04-2008 02:32 PM
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How does there sweetener compare to xylitol?

Twisted Avatar 07-04-2008 02:46 PM
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What about stevia??


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AMforPM 07-04-2008 04:14 PM
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I do not think we have tried pure xylitol... this one is Granular Erythritol. It is not quite as sweet as sugar, but fools the tastebuds that it is sugar very well.

We have stevia, and the sugar alcohols taste much more like sugar. The sweetest tasting one that we know we tried alone, malitol, can have a laxative effect if much is eaten. But there is Belgian style chocolate made with that which is really as good as any chocolate I have eaten. And a few chocolates are no problem for the gut.

But for storage I want to vacuum seal up a 44lb bag from Honeyville for her.

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oh! we have tried xylitol... I thought of it as 'birch sugar'. Xylitol is good too, and I can't say I noticed much difference, though it was not side by side testing. I noticed a kind of richer or deeper sugariness with the malitol, but not a dif on the other 2.

Infidel 07-04-2008 04:21 PM
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she can have all the 72% and above splenda sweetened chocolate she wants

Silverstone 07-04-2008 04:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 1176689)
sweets to store for the wife - Honeyville carries one of the better zero calorie sugar alcohol sweetners. One that is not a laxative, nor a neuro toxin like aspartame.

I ordered a 44lb bag of that and 25 lbs of almond flour so she can make things like cookies and pound cake out of stored foods. Almond flour pound cake sounds good to me too.

We tested that sweetner in our coffee, which we had stopped using any sugar in, and it tastes great. I also ordered whole dried eggs. We don't like them scrambled, but in pound cake I expect them to be fine, and maybe for custard. She has a major sweet tooth and the only stored sweets we had were things she can't have now. So now I won't eat sweets she can't have except when she has sweets she can have.

She is going sweets recipes exploring to see how much of Honeyville's dry milk replacer to order. Dry milk does not keep well, but Honeyville has a milk product that does.

Have you ever considered Stevia as a sweetener? My father had "temporary" adult (older age) diabetes, he cured it himself through diet, exercise and stevia. Just FYI.

AMforPM 07-04-2008 04:55 PM
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Here is the wikipedia comparison of the sugar alcohols.

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[edit]Erythritol and human digestion

In the body, erythritol is absorbed into the bloodstream in the small intestine, and then for the most part excreted unchanged in the urine. Because erythritol is normally absorbed before it enters the large intestine, it does not normally cause laxative effects as are often experienced after over-consumption of other sugar alcohols (such as xylitol and maltitol) and most people will consume erythritol with no side effects. This is a unique characteristic, as other sugar alcohols are not absorbed directly by the body in this manner, and consequently are more prone to causing gastric distress [4].
As a whole, erythritol is generally free of side-effects in regular use, but if consumed in very extreme quantities (sometimes encouraged by its almost non-caloric nature), effectively consuming it faster than one's body can absorb it, a laxative effect may result. The laxative response does not begin until you cross your body's natural absorption threshold, which is the point at which you have ingested more erythritol than is found in reasonable servings of food products and is usually a larger amount than most people will eat in a single sitting. Erythritol, when compared with other sugar alcohols, is also much more difficult for intestinal bacteria to digest, so it is unlikely to cause gas or bloating [5], unlike maltitol, sorbitol, or lactitol. Allergic side effects can be itching with hives.

Heat of solution
Erythritol has a strong cooling effect (positive heat of solution[6]) when it dissolves in water, often combined with the cooling effect of mint flavors, but proves distracting with more subtle flavors and textures. The cooling effect is only present when erythritol is not already dissolved in water, a situation that might be experienced in an erythritol-sweetened frosting, chocolate bar, chewing gum, or hard candy. When combined with solid fats, such as coconut oil, cocoa butter or cow's butter, the cooling effect tends to accentuate the waxy characteristics of the fat in a generally undesirable manner. This is particularly pronounced in chocolate bars made with erythritol. The cooling effect of erythritol is very similar to that of xylitol and among the strongest cooling effects of all sugar alcohols.
Stevia just does not taste enough like sugar to her, though we might use some with the other in baked items. But this is as positive, diabetes wise, as stevia.

We are unlikely to make chocolate bars, and have not experienced the cooling effect with either birch sugar or this one, though we will bear it in mind when cooking with it.

AMforPM 07-04-2008 04:57 PM
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Infidel, IMO splenda is not as bad as aspartame, but I think it has neurotoxic effects that are milder.

Conk 07-07-2008 02:22 PM
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Agave nectar is good. I use it when baking my world famous muffins. Quinoa flour, spelt flour, walnuts, salba seeds, ground flax, blueberries or banana, and agave nectar. Damn good.

Avalon 07-07-2008 02:25 PM
Re: Just ordered some diabetes friendly
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 1176689)
sweets to store for the wife - Honeyville carries one of the better zero calorie sugar alcohol sweetners. One that is not a laxative, nor a neurotoxin like aspartame.

I ordered a 44lb bag of that and 25 lbs of almond flour so she can make things like cookies and pound cake out of stored foods. Almond flour pound cake sounds good to me too.

We tested that sweetener in our coffee, which we had stopped using any sugar in, and it tastes great. I also ordered whole dried eggs. We don't like them scrambled, but in pound cake I expect them to be fine, and maybe for custard. She has a major sweet tooth and the only stored sweets we had were things she can't have now. So now I won't eat sweets she can't have except when she has sweets she can have.

She is going sweets recipes exploring to see how much of Honeyville dry milk replacer to order. Dry milk does not keep well, but Honeyville has a milk product that does.
Do you have the name of that sweetener? Also does almond flour metabolize different then other flours?
I have a ton of pears coming in. I have not been able to find a no sugar or very low sugar recipe to can them.. Anyone have one? My web search only found very high sugar recipes.

AMforPM 07-07-2008 02:56 PM
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Avalon, Granular Erythritol. I do not know whether it would perform like sugar in canning. I think the sugar keeps canned fruit from darkening or something. I can't remember for sure. I did read sometime that it was not just added for the sweet taste. Maybe you can google canning, why sugar is canned in fruit, and whether the sugar alcohols would work.

It might just have been for sugar's preservative uses when boiling water bath was the only home canning tech.

I will google it sometime as we will have peaches and figs to can, but I may not get to it in time for your pears. I'm really enjoying my wife's summer vacation. :D

I found this link fast

http://www.extension.umn.edu/info-u/...ion/BJ605.html

I hope it is helpful. If you have a diabetic family member trying some with the no calorie sugar alcohol and finding out for yourself if it performs sugar's role is my advice.

jaybone 07-07-2008 03:17 PM
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Does anybody know of a stevia product that does not have that horrible bitter taste?
I have tried extract, whole-leaf green powder, white granular, it all tastes like crap to me. but I know it its by far the healthiest alternative for low-glycemic sweetening.

Avalon 07-08-2008 08:07 AM
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Thank AM.. I will check it out. When I saw how loaded with sugar those recipe were I figured there was a purpose for all the sugar other then taste. Still you see low sugar or no sugar canned pears so there mus be a way. I will let you know what I find..

SilverSalmon 07-08-2008 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Silverstone (Post 1176863)
Have you ever considered Stevia as a sweetener? My father had "temporary" adult (older age) diabetes, he cured it himself through diet, exercise and stevia. Just FYI.
Everyone can cure themselves through diet and exercise. People don't want to hear they have to sacrifice or actually work for something. We live in a wish upon a star, lottery, Las Vegas culture type culture. This is not directed to AM for PM. This is just my general observations when trying to help diabetics. Here's a great clip below, I actually did this for 40 days and cured myself of lung disease and etc. I'm still amazed.

Lt Dan 07-08-2008 01:24 PM
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Link is wrong at top of youtube video, try
I'm diabetic and have been for several years, and I don't look like most diabetics as I am only a few pounds over what the charts say I should be. Mine seems to be linked to agent orange from Vietnam. I've found there is very few foods that are "bad foods", it's a matter of self control. I did finally switch to using Splenda when I just had to sweeten something. Most of the time I just opt to not use any sweetener preferring the natural flavors of the food. My wife uses Splenda to sweeten foods she bakes when they call for sugar.

Conk 07-08-2008 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Lt Dan (Post 1182002)
Link is wrong at top of youtube video, try YouTube - Raw for 30 Days - Trailer

I'm diabetic and have been for several years, and I don't look like most diabetics as I am only a few pounds over what the charts say I should be. Mine seems to be linked to agent orange from Vietnam. I've found there is very few foods that are "bad foods", it's a matter of self control. I did finally switch to using Splenda when I just had to sweeten something. Most of the time I just opt to not use any sweetener preferring the natural flavors of the food. My wife uses Splenda to sweeten foods she bakes when they call for sugar.
Splenda is a chlorinated product and will disrupt the digestive process. Not good, as most of the immune system resides in the gut. Other reasons to avoid Splenda as well.

SilverBull71 07-08-2008 06:50 PM
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I agree with SilverSalmon. Diabetes is extremely curable. Many diabetics that go on a "raw diet" are off their insuling within a few weeks. Through in yoga, deep breathing, stress reduction, and lots of walking, and you got it made.



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AMforPM 07-08-2008 09:07 PM
Re: Just ordered some diabetes friendly
 
The latest pill type of medication attacks insulin resistance some build up from the incredible excess of sugar in our diets. The wife needs no insulin and is doing great.

I agree that diabetes is reversible in many cases, but I know she won't do the dietary extremes (to her) necessary. And it is my opinion she gets to decide how to live her life. I cured a very bad illness I had eating all raw foods, and she was glad it worked for me but was very clear she would prefer a shorter life to that diet.

Now if we stop being able to get her medication and she had to face blindness, etc, maybe she might live on mostly sprouts and sprout juice, which is what cured me, but I'm not sure. So as long as all she has to do is take 1 pill in the morning, eat a kind of south beach diet, and only these sweet tasting things that insulin does not react to, that is her preference and ok with me.

AMforPM 07-08-2008 09:15 PM
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oh! Almond flour is used for baking in many carbohydrate restricted baked goods. The wife is thinking pound cake.

SilverBull71 07-10-2008 08:14 PM
Re: Just ordered some diabetes friendly
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMforPM (Post 1182745)
The latest pill type of medication attacks insulin resistance some build up from the incredible excess of sugar in our diets. The wife needs no insulin and is doing great.

I agree that diabetes is reversible in many cases, but I know she won't do the dietary extremes (to her) necessary. And it is my opinion she gets to decide how to live her life. I cured a very bad illness I had eating all raw foods, and she was glad it worked for me but was very clear she would prefer a shorter life to that diet.

Now if we stop being able to get her medication and she had to face blindness, etc, maybe she might live on mostly sprouts and sprout juice, which is what cured me, but I'm not sure. So as long as all she has to do is take 1 pill in the morning, eat a kind of south beach diet, and only these sweet tasting things that insulin does not react to, that is her preference and ok with me.


AMforPM. If you don't mind me asking , what kind of ilness did you cure with raw foods? I'm very interested in this, and I'm trying to help a sick relative.



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Conk 07-11-2008 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverBull71 (Post 1186094)
AMforPM. If you don't mind me asking , what kind of ilness did you cure with raw foods? I'm very interested in this, and I'm trying to help a sick relative.
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Not speaking for AMforPM, but most all ailments can be resolved with raw, living foods diet. The body is literally dying, in need of enzymes that are killed through the cooking process. There are many very convincing books on raw diets. Much data to support the contention. The body steals enzymes from internal organs in order to digest cooked food. In time the organ(s) will fail or manifest a disease. At a minimum it is essential that we all take a quality enzyme supplement when eating cooked food. Older than 45 or 50? Take hydrochloric acid at the end of every protein meal as well. And NEVER take anti-acids or Nexium type drugs, unless you're looking to die early. Heartburn is not excess stomach acid. It's actually a lack of it. This lack causes the junk people eat to turn acidic. If you eat real food, you will not get this acidic reaction. :emotions16:


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